tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1014231651103136806.post3504835832811711739..comments2023-10-30T04:18:38.891-05:00Comments on <center>Young, Evangelical, and Catholic</center>: Why We're Contraception-Free, Part 5: Tested TwiceAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18305730072549519616noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1014231651103136806.post-36098301118417245022016-08-19T21:44:34.433-05:002016-08-19T21:44:34.433-05:00hi baby you're so cute and so adorablehi baby you're so cute and so adorablecara mengobati penyakit epilepsihttp://obatacemaxsonline.com/cara-mengobati-penyakit-epilepsi/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1014231651103136806.post-60167538550098965432014-09-12T01:52:08.086-05:002014-09-12T01:52:08.086-05:00Skyrocketing educational costs have driven parents...Skyrocketing educational costs have driven parents of school-age children to consider homeschooling their children. It is not a care-free decision to take your children from a traditional classroom and put them in a home-school environment. <br /><a href="http://www.adamoagency.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.adamoagency.com</a> | <br><br /><a href="http://www.envisioncentraltexas.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.envisioncentraltexas.com</a> | <br><br /><a href="http://www.aauw-daw.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.aauw-daw.org</a> | <br><br /><a href="http://www.camorhino.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.camorhino.com</a> | <br><br /><a href="http://www.apron2apronsisters.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.apron2apronsisters.com</a> | <br><br />jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04160321148710420968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1014231651103136806.post-3670519894309145242013-06-18T14:59:09.025-05:002013-06-18T14:59:09.025-05:00Anon, Thanks for the quotes, very interesting. And...Anon, Thanks for the quotes, very interesting. And thanks for the encouragement on the blog.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18305730072549519616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1014231651103136806.post-85876844598313835252013-06-18T14:34:11.943-05:002013-06-18T14:34:11.943-05:00Some Early Church Fathers and writers
"Moreo...Some Early Church Fathers and writers <br />"Moreover, he [Moses] has rightly detested the weasel [Lev. 11:29]. For he means, ‘Thou shall not be like to those whom we hear of as committing wickedness with the mouth with the body through uncleanness [orally consummated sex]; nor shall thou be joined to those impure women who commit iniquity with the mouth with the body through uncleanness’" (Letter of Barnabas 10:8 [A.D. 74]).<br /><br /><br />"Who is he who cannot warn that no woman may take a potion so that she is unable to conceive or condemns in herself the nature which God willed to be fecund? As often as she could have conceived or given birth, of that many homicides she will be held guilty, and, unless she undergoes suitable penance, she will be damned by eternal death in hell. If a woman does not wish to have children, let her enter into a religious agreement with her husband; for chastity is the sole sterility of a Christian woman" (Caius 1:12 [A.D. 522]).<br />"God gave us eyes not to see and desire pleasure, but to see acts to be performed for the needs of life; so too, the genital [’generating’] part of the body, as the name itself teaches, has been received by us for no other purpose than the generation of offspring" (Lactantius, [290-350] ibid., 6:23:18).<br />"For necessary sexual intercourse for begetting [children] is alone worthy of marriage. But that which goes beyond this necessity no longer follows reason but lust. And yet it pertains to the character of marriage . . . to yield it to the partner lest by fornication the other sin damnably [through adultery]. . . . [T]hey [must] not turn away from them the mercy of God . . . by changing the natural use into that which is against nature, which is more damnable when it is done in the case of husband or wife. For, whereas that natural use, when it pass beyond the compact of marriage, that is, beyond the necessity of begetting [children], is pardonable in the case of a wife, damnable in the case of a harlot; that which is against nature is execrable when done in the case of a harlot, but more execrable in the case of a wife. Of so great power is the ordinance of the Creator, and the order of creation, that . . . when the man shall wish to use a body part of the wife not allowed for this purpose [orally or anally consummated sex], the wife is more shameful, if she suffer it to take place in her own case, than if in the case of another woman" (The Good of Marriage 11–12 [A.D. 401]). Augustine of Hippo, St<br />"To have coitus other than to procreate children is to do injury to nature" Clement of Alexandria [150-215 AD] ibid., 2:10:95:3).<br /><br />Thank you for your blog BrantlyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1014231651103136806.post-65586790875050845852013-06-16T22:07:09.914-05:002013-06-16T22:07:09.914-05:00nicholasandjessica, I'd like to ask you a ques...nicholasandjessica, I'd like to ask you a question: What is the purpose and meaning of sex? What is it's connection to marriage? And why are homosexual acts wrong, and what does Paul mean by "contrary to nature"? God blessAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18305730072549519616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1014231651103136806.post-68266573600907467142013-06-16T22:05:42.872-05:002013-06-16T22:05:42.872-05:00First off, we can know things about the world with...First off, we can know things about the world without being told them by someone else. Remember, it says in Romans 2.14-15 that those without Scripture can know morality. And in Romans 1, St Paul argues that homosexual acts are wrong because they are contrary to nature. He knows his readers can see that that is the case. The purpose of our sexuality is evident to reason merely by looking at our sexual organs and how they work.<br /><br />In any case, as I said in my previous comment, marriage is the one flesh union (according to Scripture). If sex isn't the man and the woman giving of themselves in total to each other, and thus expressing and consummating that marital unity, then I don't know what connection sex has to marriage. And if a man and woman can use their sexuality in ways that deny sexual difference (oral sex, masturbation, etc), then it's not clear why homosexual acts are wrong or what St Paul meant when he said that.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18305730072549519616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1014231651103136806.post-32679534281494715482013-06-16T20:51:56.642-05:002013-06-16T20:51:56.642-05:00You didn't really answer my question...
what...You didn't really answer my question... <br />what source, or by what authority do you believe anything else is contrary to nature/misuse? does the pope say something about it? a scripture passage(s)? a biblical commentary you've read?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1014231651103136806.post-43290266350891634982013-06-16T20:16:04.383-05:002013-06-16T20:16:04.383-05:00nicholasandjessica,
Great quesiton. Anything else ...nicholasandjessica,<br />Great quesiton. Anything else is contrary to nature and a misuse of our sexuality. Sex is the expression and consummation of marriage, which is the one flesh union. Only intercourse is the uniting of the man and the woman according to their gender.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18305730072549519616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1014231651103136806.post-46792455301978554272013-06-16T19:41:20.495-05:002013-06-16T19:41:20.495-05:00Can I ask where you get the idea that the only per...Can I ask where you get the idea that the only permissible sexual act in marriage is intercourse?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1014231651103136806.post-85904968337430143412013-06-15T22:32:27.417-05:002013-06-15T22:32:27.417-05:00Hello nicholasandjessica,
I'm honored that yo...Hello nicholasandjessica,<br /><br />I'm honored that you've been reading the series! Thanks for reading, and thanks for taking the time to critically engage with it. That's exactly what I've been hoping for. Regarding your questions, great questions, here are some thoughts:<br /><br />1) I suppose it depends on what you mean by "sexual intimacy". I would still give my wife a kiss or embrace her, but we didn't engage in anything described in my answer to question 2.<br /><br />2) Head ups: I may need to be explicit to answer this question. The only proper use of our sexual organs are with the sexual organs of the opposite sex. In other words, a man's penis should only be ejaculating in a woman's vagina. Intentionally doing anything else is contrary to nature.<br /><br />If you are referring to Mark Driscoll's perverse interpretation of Song of Songs 2.3 as celebrating oral sex, I'd say that that interpretation is a misuse of the text (reading way more into the text than what is there) and is contrary to the entire tradition of interpreting Scripture (it's a recently invented interpretation) and indeed is contrary to the entire tradition's understanding of sexuality and marriage based on Scripture and reason. Oral sex, like homosexual acts and other perversion, deny the importance of sexual complementarity. In other words, if one accepts the permissibility of things like oral sex (or contraception, anal sex, masturbation, etc), I don't see any argument against homosexual acts.<br /><br />3) Great question. Paul is giving general recommendations there. In fact he says "I say this as a concession, *not as a command*". He doesn't say that abstaining for the purpose of prayer is the only reason a couple could possibly have to abstain. I mean, sometimes a couple may simply be unable to have sex physically, or have situations like I had with my wife where there is a serious medical reason not have sex. I'd agree with the general principle though: generally speaking a couple should be regularly having sex unless they have good reason not to. This then means that a married couple should, in general, be open to receiving whatever children come their way unless they have good reason not to.<br /><br />Feel free to respond or not, I'm very open to dialogue. God bless!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18305730072549519616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1014231651103136806.post-78247712484357586132013-06-15T20:54:44.535-05:002013-06-15T20:54:44.535-05:00I've been enjoying reading through your blog b...I've been enjoying reading through your blog but I have to pause and ask a few questions here... <br />also, I'm not catholic. I am evangelical/baptist, so I may just be ignorant of the catholic teaching.<br /><br />1) is your use of the term "abstain" meaning strictly from intercourse (so as to prevent conception) or from all sexual intimacy?<br />2) Do you believe the only permissible sexual intimacy for a married couple to be intercourse? If so, I find that hard to believe given passages of scripture in Song of Solomon.<br />3) How has 1 Corinthians 7 influenced your decision on abstaining? I understand you had good reason not to conceive due to the medical risks but 1 year of abstinence seems contrary to what this passage teaches to me...though your view on abstinence in the above question would affect this question.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1014231651103136806.post-65909973732725367322013-06-10T14:46:45.961-05:002013-06-10T14:46:45.961-05:00Understandable! God bless!Understandable! God bless!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16376858784972563684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1014231651103136806.post-90080824714111730302013-06-09T18:37:49.630-05:002013-06-09T18:37:49.630-05:00Hey Susan, Thanks for the info. We never ended up ...Hey Susan, Thanks for the info. We never ended up looking too deeply into the matter since we decided we thought it'd be better just to abstain. God bless!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18305730072549519616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1014231651103136806.post-78501090206893098702013-06-09T18:02:19.193-05:002013-06-09T18:02:19.193-05:00Another beautiful story. I will say that you can c...Another beautiful story. I will say that you can chart before cycles return, depending on the method. For example, this is true of Billings. I completely understand choosing to completely abstain during tht time instead, but just wanted to give that info. :) Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16376858784972563684noreply@blogger.com